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Unregistered(d)	GG1 performance	Lead	[-]
Posts: 0 (12/28/03 12:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Got into a debate the other night about the GG1. This guy was claiming the GG1 had been run (somewhere, anywhere?) at 160 mph. I made the comment that I doubted that...while the motors might acually do that I doubted the P would gear them that high. You get into track maintenance problems and general equipment maintenance problems at those speeds (a B60 or an X 29 at "flight speed"?) so I doubted it. Any comments or input. Straighten someone out, even if it's me!
Greg V	GG1 top speed	#1	[-]
Posts: 254 (12/28/03 08:27 PM) Local user Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	link below published by american society of mechanical engineers has the GG1 at 102 MPH. On the spec sheet, max speed is 100 mph. Trackwork engineering was not designed for 160 mph back in the time the GG1 was used. www.asme.org/history/brochures/h083.pdf
prrths	GG1 top speed	#2	[-]
Posts: 269 (12/29/03 07:18 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	www.crisny.org/not-for-pr...ad/gg1.htm
Unregistered(d)	GG1 top speed	#3	[-]
Posts: 0 (12/30/03 10:56 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	I agree that the top speed was geared for the 100 mph range. One note of interest. A GG1 could accelerate to 100 mph with a test car in 61 seconds. They could develope 9000 starting HP for short periods. Then about 4800 continous hp. Truly remarkable in itself for this mighty locomotive designed in the 1930s. I rode behind them on the Congressional trains in the 1955 era and they ran at a scheduled speed of 80 mph (observed by mile markers going by at 45 second intervals). They accelerated with the smoothness of silk as they could out run a B&O full car train with a 4 unit diesel locomotive with a head start leaving Union Station in Washington with its own consist of about 12 to 14 cars. (Observed) Head start was about 30 seconds. An incredible experience for a GG1 lover since I was 4 years old back in the 1930s as I became aware and privilidged to observe them. The emotional experiences of both riding behind and seeing them at speed will never be forgotton. Seeing them rounding and leaning into the curve at Frankford Junction on their trek to points south and west is still like it was yesterday.
sankohawaii	The Remarkable GG1	#4	[-]
Posts: 231 (12/30/03 06:59 PM) Local user Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The prior post brings to mind a quotation by Raymond Loewy that appeared inside the front cover of "The Remarkable GG1" by Karl Zimmermann, "Standing somewhere between New York and Philadelphia, I don't know where, and seeing that engine come at high speed, shaking the ground. It was a thrill, unforgettable. These are great moments in a man's life...". Well, Mr. Loewy, we agree!!! John
Unregistered(d)	GG1 top end	#5	[-]
Posts: 0 (01/03/04 08:08 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Thanks to all. I thought the guy was a manure spreader. I do believe they tested the Corridor Cars at 160 and it blew windows out of cars on nearby sidings. I didn;t wanna insist he was wrong, but an engine cannot exceed it's gearing - at least not for long. Like taking Aunt Flossies Buick on the Interstate in 1st gear! I stood beside these, John, many times in Hbg station. "awe" comes to mind.
towerview	GG1	#6	[-]
Posts: 32 (01/05/04 06:30 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The catenary is rated @125mph in the corridor, I doubt if the GG1's were run above that speed anyway. Also coming out of a station you could feel each time the enginner moved up a "notch' when accelerating hard. that was a thrill -loved when behind schedule leaving Penn station late at night.
Unregistered(d)	Gs	#7	[-]
Posts: 0 (01/09/04 10:57 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	TView I can remember those notch-out bumps. Thanks for awakening a long gone memory! Another neat thing is the change in air pressure when you would pass another train. At speed this would also create a barely noticable sideways movement. Especially noticeable when a G at full blast would pass one of those Pioneer electric MU cars. Neat!
Unregistered(d)	Speed	#8	[-]
Posts: 0 (06/26/05 07:06 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	The PRR's GG-1s, their origins based on the NH's EP-3s, were truly remarkable machines. Especially nice were the sounds they made starting up a heavy train with the quill drives compressing and releasing. You both heard and felt the power contained within the beast. However, they didn't operate well on low voltage when used on the former New Haven trackage - they wanted 11,000-volts and nothing less. Did 110 mph on a fantrip circa 1970 somewhere between Trenton and Elizabeth, N.J. The trainmaster on board told the engineer to "open her up and see what she'll do." Of course, we were riding Jersey Arrows, which has nothing to do with GG-1s, but it was fun nonetheless.
jbotts2004	Re: GG-1 Stories	#9	[-]
Posts: 50 (06/27/05 10:34 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Now you're making me throw in my two cents worth. In the very early 70's I was stationed at Fort Meade Maryland and would go do some railfanning on the platform of the the Odenton, Maryland train station. I remember well, standing by the rails, trying to get a picture as one of the GG-1's would blast by. It was an awsome experience. I later met many an other train at that same location. No Metroliner nor Acela had the impact of those GG-1's! Joe Botts
davecraft	Re: GG1 stories	#10	[-]
Posts: 160 (06/27/05 01:31 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Here's another one: Standing on the platform at New Brunswick, New Jersey as a west-bound comes ripping thru and for an instant, just behind the yellow line, you can feel that "bow wave" of air as the engineman looks at you as if you are completely crazy. Well, the sailor suit explained some of it and when they said, "come on up, sailor", deep within the bowels of Penn Station, didn't take 3 seconds to arrive in that cab. "Here, let me showw you what makes her go" as he opens the hatch to that transformer and cautions you not to stick your arm in there very far, but, look at the hair standing up on your wrist! All too soon, the crew gets that departure and I'm back on the platform, listening to that "popping" sound the tap changing relays make as the big electric is notched into motion. Can't get those kinds of memories without being there or on the ground at Deans or Adams Lane as a late afternoon express thunders by and I do mean THUNDERS! Couldn't resist, guys, must be the heat! Best regards, davecraft
Unregistered(d)	Top Speed	#11	[-]
Posts: 0 (09/23/05 08:56 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Diesel I read an artical on the GG-1's yesterday. It was Budd that claimed there cars could go 160mph. They never got close from what I read, but I saw the reference. I don't think the road bed or the catenary could take it. Ever been in an Acela going top speed and have it pass another one. You won't forget that one. Jamie
sbiii	GG1 Memories	#12	[-]
Posts: 192 (10/09/05 09:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Talk about forgetting and remembering! I worked at Aberdeen Proving Ground ca. 1952-55 and this thread made me suddenly remember the Gs screaming past at the crossing (now gone - Bel Air Avenue?) at the old main road entrance to the post. Oh, that bow wave and the sheer power in the roar! More recently, standing on the west side of 43rd Street in Long Island City, looking through the fence down onto the Sunnyside loop and watching those last long Gs bending double pulling trains out of Penn Station and around the sharp curve into the passenger yard. And, of course, always, standing on the platforms at trackside in Penn Station itself, while Gs coasted in or started up! Best visual imapact was to be all the way out at the west end, when they came in from the sunshine into the gloom. Not that standing in the main shed at the RR Museum of PA when old Rivets was refurbished and run inside with her lights on and her whistle screeching and her bell ringing wasn't a thrill (even though their 44-tonner was out of sight, pushing her, the juice came from a very long extension cord, and the air had been pumped in from outside)! Sam, III - #5891
K4sPRR	GG1 Memories	#13	[-]
Posts: 63 (10/10/05 05:50 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Reading these rememberences brought back memories of riding Clockers between D.C. & New York City with my parents. The sheer speed and flash of another train going the other way was VERY impressive to a young lad. One memory that stands out is standing in a vestibule and asking the conductor how fast we were going. His answer "90 mile per hour", talk about impressing a little boy. It was the GG1's that got me to loving and modeling the PRR. Charles Sanchez
dvincenzo	Audio File of GG1 top spead of 160 MPH	#14	[-]
Posts: 1 (06/10/08 05:41 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite	Here is an audio media file detailing a GG1 traveling at 160 MPH during a speed test... (Found on Wikipedia) Ryan Kunkle tells an amusing story about how fast the GG1 actually could go

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